Comments on: The Future IBM We Will Probably Never See https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/07/08/the-future-ibm-we-will-probably-never-see/ In-depth coverage of high-end computing at large enterprises, supercomputing centers, hyperscale data centers, and public clouds. Fri, 16 Jul 2021 18:34:50 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: Michael Thompson https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/07/08/the-future-ibm-we-will-probably-never-see/#comment-164536 Wed, 14 Jul 2021 19:01:20 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=138775#comment-164536 In reply to Lawrence D’Oliveiro.

It’s a niche market, but banks and transaction processing are likely to continue using mainframes for the foreseeable future. One of the few remaining advantages of mainframes is the ability to run ACID compliant relational databases at immense scale, where distributed systems generally use noSQL databases and eventual consistency (which isn’t good enough for financial use cases).

What I envision happening is that IBM and the System/Z platform will hang on milking their old customers for the foreseeable future. If they can develop and adapt the platform to new use cases, they *might* be able to get some new customers, but more likely I expect their mainframes to just hold onto existing markets or shrink as companies find alternative ways to get what they need from other platforms. That last point may take some years/decades though, prior recorded attempts at transitioning from the mainframe run the gamut from highly successful to expensive and bitter failures before transitioning back.

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By: Lawrence D’Oliveiro https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/07/08/the-future-ibm-we-will-probably-never-see/#comment-164440 Sat, 10 Jul 2021 07:33:37 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=138775#comment-164440 Just a note that a mainframe is not just a “big” computer, it is a particular kind of computer design that prioritizes high I/O throughput over low latency.

Think of all the big web-based systems like search engines, social media services and the like — they all put low latency as number one. So the massively parallel load-balanced and fault-tolerant computing facilities that they run on are as different from “mainframes” as can be. They not only need to respond quickly, they also need to adapt quickly to shifting loads — again, something that was never envisaged in the design of mainframes.

Are there any significant workloads left where mainframes have an useful advantage? Somehow, I don’t think so…

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By: Joseoh Le Petomane https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/07/08/the-future-ibm-we-will-probably-never-see/#comment-164438 Sat, 10 Jul 2021 03:58:37 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=138775#comment-164438 What Whitehurst forgot is that many years ago, IBM declared war on US employees in general and US employees over 50 specifically. I will be very surprised if IBM has an American as CEO/Chairman ever again.

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By: Eric Olson https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/07/08/the-future-ibm-we-will-probably-never-see/#comment-164437 Fri, 09 Jul 2021 22:03:11 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=138775#comment-164437 When compute switched from large systems to small, the mainframe seemed less relevant. Now that things are switching to cloud it’s as if timesharing and mainframes have returned.

More interestingly, Linux has allowed Amazon, Oracle and others to switch to mainframe sized ARM servers in their clouds.

I see two possible futures: either yield and performance problems will be so bad with the 7nm Power10 that they instantly go bankrupt or they could hire Timothy to turn things around.

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By: antoine https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/07/08/the-future-ibm-we-will-probably-never-see/#comment-164435 Fri, 09 Jul 2021 16:34:46 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=138775#comment-164435 If I remember when Jim Gray left IBM, he did qualify IBM as very conservative. When Lou Gerstner took the helm he trasnformed the compagny into a very successful integration company with openness. Then came Palmisano and Rometty, and IBM became irrelevant again although I still consider that IBM has still an upper edge on IT technologies (MF, Power, OS/400, Q, AI, etc). The acquisition of RH was a kind of poker shot (and probably a financial issue) but the now vision is still weak and indefinable for customers except a basic understanding : IBM is IBM (sigh). If Mr Whitehurst was not named CEO/President it’s because, well you can guess it : Lou Gerstner did integrate The Carlyle Group after having retired from IBM. Kind regards

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By: Aubrey Bone https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/07/08/the-future-ibm-we-will-probably-never-see/#comment-164430 Fri, 09 Jul 2021 10:32:35 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=138775#comment-164430 Who’s IBM?

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By: Sol https://www.nextplatform.com/2021/07/08/the-future-ibm-we-will-probably-never-see/#comment-164420 Fri, 09 Jul 2021 05:37:33 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=138775#comment-164420 It happened because, well, IBM is simply fading to irrelevance. All it has going for itself is “historical context” 😉

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